For this episode of One More Light with Val Kleinhans, I took it all the way back to my high school days at Upper St. Clair High School in Pittsburgh. Julie Cargal and I have known each other since then, and in that time she’s gone on to become a counselor in the Pittsburgh area, seeing plenty of sides of the mental health world.

One thing we found we both agreed on is that we’re simply not listened to anymore. Opening up our ears can truly help us learn from each other – and learn how to help each other before – incidents of mental health crisis take over.

This is our chat below.

Julie is so proud of her art, and I can see why! Check it out here.

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